[02.02.14 00:31:15] * Channel #debian-ops created on Sun Nov 26 07:46:22 2006 [02.02.14 00:31:19] ohai [02.02.14 00:31:41] --> q3k (~q3k@q3k.org) has joined #debian-ops [02.02.14 00:31:58] hi! warsaw hackerspace founder here. if it's an issue, we can run identd on nat.hackerspace.pl [02.02.14 00:32:01] The ban is not going to be lifted, affected users can ask for a +e to get through the ban. [02.02.14 00:32:15] The ban will expire shortly. Have a good day. [02.02.14 00:32:24] abrotman: it is not about the ban [02.02.14 00:32:27] it's about the attitude [02.02.14 00:32:41] and banning whole nets/hosts because somebody asks a question [02.02.14 00:32:49] becaues they're offtopic and demanding help [02.02.14 00:32:55] sure, we understand that [02.02.14 00:33:05] Right, affected people can ask for a +e [02.02.14 00:33:07] however, non-granular bans like these are why we can't have nice things [02.02.14 00:33:20] and having you both come in and whine doesn't help [02.02.14 00:33:23] you jus tbanned a community od ~60 people [02.02.14 00:33:27] *of [02.02.14 00:33:33] which is not really excellent. [02.02.14 00:33:39] --> gjm (~gjm@unaffiliated/gjm) has joined #debian-ops [02.02.14 00:33:46] Okay [02.02.14 00:34:15] abrotman: "come and whine"? I'm sorry, but you just banned a host with many users owned by the organisation I represent [02.02.14 00:34:24] --> ar (arachnist@paludis/monkey/arachnist) has joined #debian-ops [02.02.14 00:34:34] abrotman: because I asked about your attitude towards a user in #debian [02.02.14 00:34:35] The ban will expire, folks can ask for a +e [02.02.14 00:34:45] "expire" [02.02.14 00:34:51] abrotman: no, this is not about expiration of the ban [02.02.14 00:34:52] yes, expire [02.02.14 00:34:52] cool [02.02.14 00:35:04] abrotman: the fact is, that there were multiple cases of abuse of rights/power coming from you [02.02.14 00:35:12] No [02.02.14 00:35:17] Yes, it is. [02.02.14 00:35:25] The user was offtopic and demanding help. [02.02.14 00:35:31] abrotman: and, as a quick google shows, there were quite a few people complaining about it before today [02.02.14 00:35:34] The user was offtopic and demanding help. [02.02.14 00:35:42] Asking about tool, used in debian is offtopic? [02.02.14 00:35:48] abrotman: how is apt-* or dpkg offtopic in #debian? [02.02.14 00:35:51] A tool provided by a different distro [02.02.14 00:36:14] We do not provide the apt/dpkg that Ubuntu uses, we do'nt know how it's patched or what is different. Ubuntu support is offtopic in #debian. [02.02.14 00:36:35] This is why #ubuntu exists. [02.02.14 00:36:49] abrotman: cool, you could have said that [02.02.14 00:36:55] I did [02.02.14 00:36:59] --> antoszka (~antoszka@unaffiliated/antoszka) has joined #debian-ops [02.02.14 00:37:04] and then he demanded help anyway [02.02.14 00:37:06] abrotman: why banning the whole net? [02.02.14 00:37:08] abrotman: This is why people say the open-source community is unfriendly. [02.02.14 00:37:23] abrotman: why banning my organisation's main host/gateway when I asked you about it? [02.02.14 00:37:27] gjm: Then he should go to #ubuntu when politely redirected there. [02.02.14 00:37:38] >ban [02.02.14 00:37:43] >politely [02.02.14 00:37:43] Okay [02.02.14 00:38:24] If you're all done, please /part. [02.02.14 00:38:58] I'll be hanging around here until the ban expires [02.02.14 00:39:09] Again, please /part [02.02.14 00:39:20] my issue has not been adressed [02.02.14 00:39:26] Yes, it has, the ban will expire. [02.02.14 00:39:32] I shall /part as soon as the ban expires [02.02.14 00:40:09] rysiek|pl: Please don't. We quite explictly only support Debian for a number of technical and social reasons. The +q will expire and other users can ask for a +e (as mentioned frequently) [02.02.14 00:40:27] -*- abrotman has informed, and according to rysiek|pl, the next step is a /kick .. [02.02.14 00:40:47] --> DaZ (~DaZ@89-78-214-50.dynamic.chello.pl) has joined #debian-ops [02.02.14 00:41:17] <-- q3k (~q3k@q3k.org) has left #debian-ops ("this is why people still use windows") [02.02.14 00:43:09] So, can we please move on now? The +q will expire and it would be much appreciated if people could /part the channel unless they have want to discuss something specific. [02.02.14 00:43:33] <-- gjm (~gjm@unaffiliated/gjm) has left #debian-ops (""How about no?"") [02.02.14 00:43:57] babilen: well, sort of. i'm on of the BOFHs of the hackerspace and i would like to kindly please ask to unban @nat.hackerspace.pl [02.02.14 00:43:58| <-- rysiek|pl!~quassel@master.fwioo.pl ["http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere."] [02.02.14 00:44:13] The ban will expire. [02:02:14 00:43:53] ar: please /part, the ban will expire shortly.